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The primary goal of AdoptionIreland: the Adopted Peoples Association is to seek legislative change to the benefit of adopted people and their natural families. APA believes that the Government has an obligation to provide adequate post adoption services. Until legislation is passed to provide these services we would like to offer the following advice, guidelines and services to assist individuals wishing to reunite with the (now adult) child/children that were placed for adoption. |
As a direct result of enquiries made to AdoptionIreland from adopted people, details emerged of what appears to have been a large-scale practice that existed in adoption in Ireland. The practice involved Irish single expectant mothers relinquishing their children to American adoptive couples, beginning as early as the mid-1940's. In an attempt to assist the people who where adopted through this practice we offer the following provisional information and advice. |
In an attempt to assist the people who where adopted through this practice we offer the following provisional information and advice.
First the you must insist upon the adoption agency involved confirming in writing, that you were born in England. Then with this confirmation, you should contact the British Embassy and request them to process an application for dual citizenship, the only reason you must give is that that you are adopted and just found out that you were born in England. The Embassy are then obliged to process the application and are obliged to do all in its power to assist your application for citizenship. The keynote in this is that they must assist and advise you in locating your original birth certificate.
The original birth certificate details will include your original first name(s) and surname, the name of your natural mother and your place of birth. You may have to check the register of live births in The Family History Centre in London yourself to complete this process. It may be of some assistance to you if you have a copy of your baptismal certificate in this regard, as this should name the church in which you were baptised and would suggest the area of England where you were born. The place of birth is probably most important. If at all possible track down the current location of the files that relate to the Home or Hospital of your birth.
If you are successful in finding the current location of the file that relates to you, you are now within your rights (if a British citizen) to demand access to the file, under the 1975 Childcare Act England and Wales and the 1976 England and Wales Adoption Act. |
You now hopefully have your file, which should contain your natural mother's full name. Your next step is to try to get a copy of your natural mother's birth cert. If she was born in Ireland, The General Registrar's Office for Births Deaths and Marriages (GRO, also known as Joyce House) is the place to start (see attached list of contact numbers and addresses). Be sure to bring this guide with you when you go to Joyce House.
Do not even consider going to Joyce House without a reasonable amount of spare cash — we suggest €45.00, but you may only need €10.00. There is a research room located on the first floor, which is open to the public Mon.-Fri. 9.30 am-4.30 p.m. In order to see the books you must fill out a year search form. Do not hesitate to ask the staff for help. They are very helpful, but please be patient as they are understaffed. It costs €1.90 to search a particular year, €15.24 for a general search. Take your time looking through the books and make sure to have some pens and a notepad with you.
The format of these books changed in January 1966 so we shall explain both formats.
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Births at this time were registered every three months; the books are separated into four quarters, March, June, September and December. There are no dates of birth shown in the books.
EXAMPLE:
| SURNAME |
CHILD'S NAME |
MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME |
AREA OF REG. |
DATE OF BIRTH |
VOL |
PAGE |
| BROWN |
KENNETH |
SMITH |
DUBLIN N |
2 |
346 |
| BLOGGS |
JOSEPH |
BLOGGS |
DUBLIN N |
2 |
568 |
| BROWN |
FEMALE |
CARTER |
ROSCREA |
4 |
361 |
Entries where the surname (which is the child's surname) and mothers maiden name are the same are usually what we are looking for (the fathers name was rarely entered). Take notes of all the entries where this occurs; only selecting out male or female as appropriate. When you have them all listed, you are now into a process of elimination. If you know the name given to you by your natural mother, check for an entry with that name. The Area of Reg. is another way of eliminating more off your list. This is the registration area in which your birth took place.
Copies of an entry cost €1.90 each. A small white photocopy request form must be filled in. You will receive a copy of the entry, which has as much detail as a full birth cert. If the date of birth matches yours, also place of birth, this could mean you have found your original birth record. If not try another one on your list. Throw nothing away, it might be useful to someone else. Sometimes a birth at the end of one quarter might not have been registered until the next quarter. Example: a birth for 28 Sep. 1965 might not have been registered until Oct.1965 and will not be in the book until Dec.1965.
* Adopting parents may have changed Child's name. |
Some people feel it's easier to trace after Jan 1966, some consider it harder. Births from Jan. 1966 are registered in block for the whole year, but do have dates of birth.
EXAMPLE:
| SURNAME |
CHILD'S NAME |
MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME |
AREA OF REG. |
DATE OF BIRTH |
VOL |
PAGE |
QTR |
| BROWN |
KENNETH |
SMITH |
DUBLIN N |
4-5-66 |
2 |
346 |
2 |
| BLOGGS |
JOSEPH |
BLOGGS |
DUBLIN N |
1-12-66 |
2 |
568 |
4 |
| BROWN
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FEMALE |
CARTER |
ROSCREA |
28-3-66 |
4 |
361 |
2 |
| BROWN |
LUKE |
JONES |
DELVIN |
1-9-66 |
3 |
421 |
3 |
Have a look at your birth cert and file. On some birth certs there can be an address for the natural mother, though it might only be the address of where she worked. Your agency may have told you what part of the country she came from. You may also have been told her age. Information like this is helpful in trying to locate your natural mother's birth cert.
When searching the books, it is advisable to not just look in one year but check the two years either side as well. For example, you were born in 1963 and you have been told your natural mother was about 19 years old at the time, it then follows that your natural mother must have been born around 1944. (1963 - 19 = 1944) Also check 1942, 43, 44, 45, 46.
Note: If you cannot find a birth cert for your natural mother, don't worry it is possible that she may have been born in the UK, it is also possible (particularly if she is quite old) that her birth wasn't registered. If you cannot find her birth cert please contact our helpline at 01-6790011 or mail us at info@adoptionireland.com for advice on your particular case. |
Check If She Is Married
First you will need to check whether your natural mother married or not. You can do this in the General Registrar's office also. Marriages are registered in both the maiden and married names, so you should ask for marriages in your natural mother's maiden name from your year of birth onwards. Marriage certificates contain the bride and groom's dates of birth so you should be able to confirm which one is correct without much difficulty.
Check For Children From The Marriage
If you find that she has married, your next step is to establish whether there were any children born to your natural mother from that marriage. This isn't difficult to do and can be completed easily using the method below.
Say for example your natural mother's maiden name was Smith and her married name was Brown. You are looking for children born with that combination of surnames — e.g. Brown/Murphy will not be a match. This is a useful part of the search because the younger the child is, the more recent the address will be. |
Before you go any further please seek advice from AdoptionIreland!
As so many different possibilities can arise at this stage in a trace it is impossible to explain where to go from here.
- If you have access to the internet, if you haven't done so already, join our online support group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adoption-ireland
- If you do not have Internet access, please phone our helpline on 01-6790011, where a member of staff will advise you further.
- AdoptionIreland holds meetings occasionally as a useful source for help and advice. We are also hoping to run Tracing Workshops in the future.
Remember patience and perseverance will get you there (eventually). If you would like to be notified by post or e-mail of future meetings and events for adopted people, please write to us or e-mail us and ask to be included on our mailing list. |
Check Your Research!
Please make sure you have thoroughly checked all books in Joyce House, even if you have a gut feeling that you have found the right cert. You do not want to contact the wrong family, so please be thorough!
If You Feel Your Agency Is Not Doing Enough For You
Make your views known to the Adoption Authority. If you are still not satisfied with that response, then please forward copies of your details and the nature of your complaint to AdoptionIreland and we will try to assist you. If all else fails, you can request the Adoption Authority to disclose the information to you. If they refuse, you are within your rights to make an application to the High Court for a Judicial Review of their decision to refuse. The costs involved ensure only the privileged few take this route.
Please Note Your Adoption Agency May Have Closed
If this is the case the files are normally transferred to the relevant Health Service Executive (previously known as the Health Boards). Unfortunately if this is the case, it will take longer as they regard this type of enquiry as low priority, but follow the same procedure. If in the event of the Adoption Authority not being able to inform you where your file is held, then contact the Minister responsible and request her/him to locate it. If this fails, demand an explanation in writing outlining the reasons why and contact AdoptionIreland who will do all in its power to assist you. Once again we advise that you register all post.
If You Are Not Sure About Anything Just Ask!
Remember, there are no "stupid questions" — please contact our helpline at 01-6790011 or mail us at info@adoptionireland.com if there is anything you are unsure of.
National Adoption Contact Preference Register
The Irish Adoption Authority launched the National Adoption Contact Preference Register (NACPR), in April 2005. This involved a leaflet drop to every household in Ireland inviting adopted people and natural parents and family members to register. If you have not yet received a Registration Form, or if you live outside Ireland contact the Adoption Authority at www.adoptionboard.ie or Shelbourne House, Shelbourne Road, Dublin 4, Tel. 01-2309300
Please visit the AdoptionIreland website or ask to be included on our mailing list for updates on adoption matters and public meetings in Ireland. AdoptionIreland wishes you the very best of luck and we hope you reach a successful outcome! |
Catholic Children's Society, Crusade & Rescue: 73 St. Charles Square, London W10 6EJ Tel. 081- 9695305. Former address: Ladbroke Square, Arsenal, London.
Currently this is the only known English "mother and baby" home, to have been involved in this practice.
Cunamh (Formerly Catholic Rescue and Protection Society of Ireland CPRSI): 30 South Anne Street, Dublin 2 Tel. 01-6779664
St. Anne's, Cork & Ross Family Centre: 34 Paul St., Cork Tel. 021-4273213
(This agency has now closed and all files and casework have transferred to the Southern Health Board).
Currently these are the only known Irish adoption agencies to have been involved in this practice.
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British Embassy, 29 Merrion Road, Dublin 4 Tel. 2053700 & 2053872
The Family History Centre (formerly - St Catherine's House), 10 Kingsway, London. WC2B 6JB
BAAF (British Agency for Adoption and Fostering), Skyline house, 200 Union Street, London. SE1 OLY.
Tel. 171-5932000
The Post Adoption Centre, 8 Torriano Mews, Torriano Avenue, Kentish Town, London NW5 2RZ
Tel. 071-2840554
After Adoption — Post Adoption Services, 12-14 Chapel Street, Salford, Manchester M3 7NN
Tel. 061-8394930 & 061-8394932
Office of Population Censuses and Surveys, The General Register Office, Adoption Records and Certificates Branch, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar road, Birkdale, Southport PR8 2HH Tel. 051-4714200
N.O.R.C.A.P. (National Organisation for the Counselling of Adopted People and Parents), 3 New High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 7AJ Tel. 1865-750554.
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AdoptionIreland: The Adopted People's Association: 14 Exchequer Street, Dublin 2. Helpline: 01-6790011 E-mail: info@adoptionireland.com
Adoption Loss (formerly NPNI): Adoption Loss (formerly the Natural Parents Network of Ireland) is a voluntary self-help organisation formed in 1996 by a group of women who had been parted from their children by adoption in the past. They provide help to natural families separated by adoption in four ways: Individual advice by email or letter; Monthly open meetings; Information to Media on adoption issues; Views to Government on adoption legislative reform. Postal address: PO Box 6714, Dublin 4; Email:secretary@adoptionloss.ie Telephone helpline: Sundays 2pm-4pm only 1890-200046 Or visit the Adoption Loss website at www.adoptionloss.ie
ACE (Adopted Citizens of Éire): Northeast US-based group promoting awareness of Irish adoption to the US. ACE is a NY-registered non-profit organisation. Contact: ACE, P.O. Box 628 Islip, N.Y. 11751-0628.
Adoptive Parent's Association of Ireland: Representative association for adoptive parents. Secretary: Helen Gilmartin, APAI, Glendalough Post Office, Co. Wicklow Tel 0404 45184, Fax 0404 45700, e-mail: apai@tinet.ie Public Relations Officer: Helen Scott, APAI, 40 Fairyhouse Lodge, Fairyhouse, Ratoath, Co. Meath Tel 01 8252043.
AFPAI (Adopted and Fostered Person's Association of Ireland): Bernadette Joyce 23 Portmarnock Crescent Portmarnock Co. Dublin. Tracing and information for people who were in long-term foster care and/or raised in institutions.
Barnardos: Adoption Advice Service, Tuesday 2-5pm and Thursday 10-2pm.Christchurch Square, Dublin 8 Tel. 01-4546388. Website: www.barnardos.ie
Births, Marriages and Deaths, (General Registrar's Office): Dublin Office: Joyce House, Lombard St., Dublin 2. Tel: 01-6711968. Roscommon Office: General Register Office, Government Offices, Convent Road, Roscommon. Tel: 090 6632900 LoCall: 1890 252076 Fax: 090 6632999 or www.groireland.ie
Birth Parents of Adopted Children (Cork): "We are a support group based in Cork for birth parents of adopted children. We meet quarterly for support and provide a telephone support service. If anyone is interested in further details, you can email bpacsg@eircom.net"
Justice for Magdalenes: Former members of the Magdalene Memorial Committee have joined with a group of Magdalene Laundry survivors to form a new group to campaign for justice for women who were incarcerated in Magdalene Laundries. Contact: Claire McGettrick, PRO, Justice for Magdalenes at Crocknahattina, Bailieborough, Co. Cavan. Web site: www.magdalenelaundries.com E-mail: info@magdalenelaundries.com; Telephone: +353 (0)87 9526345.
Know My Own: Know My Own is a Cork-based support group for adopted people, allied to AdoptionIreland. Monthly meetings are held in the Ardmanning Inn, Togher. Please see the AdoptionIreland Mailing List for further details (details of meetings are posted there) or e-mail knowmyown@gmail.com
Mathair Áil: Mathair Áil is a group of Irish mothers who lost one or more children to adoption. They run monthly support meetings, have an internet based support group and a helpline number at 087 645 1494 which is available to callers on Sundays from 2pm to 4pm and on Thursdays from 7pm to 9pm. Access to information and support is provided on the Mathair Áil website www.mathairail.org
The National Archives, Bishop Street, Dublin 2, Tel.01 4783711
Treoir: The Federation of Services for Unmarried Parents and their Children, Information Centre, 36 Upper Rathmines Road, Dublin 6 Telephone & Fax 01-4964155.
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The Adoption Authority: Shelbourne House, Shelbourne Rd, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4. Direct lines for Adoption Information and Tracing Unit: 01-2309327 / 01-2309328/ 01-2309325 Main Switchboard: 01-2309300 Duty Social Worker: 01-2309306 E-mail: adoptioninfo@health.irlgov.ie Website: www.adoptionboard.ie The Authority has details on all legal adoptions since 1953. Also has the records for St. Therese's Adoption Society, Whitefriar St., Dublin 8, & Catholic Women's Aid, Cork.
Irish Health Boards: For information on specific contact details for relevant Health Boards, visit the Oasis server hosted by the Irish government at www.oasis.gov.ie
St. Patrick's Guild: 203 Merrion Rd., Dublin 4. Tel. 2196551
Sacred Heart Adoption Society: Blackrock, Cork. Tel. 021-4357730.
Also has the records for Sacred Heart, Castlepollard, Co. Westmeath and Sean Ross Abbey, Roscrea, Co. Tipperary.
St. Louise's: 1st Floor, Park House, N.C.R. Dublin 7 Tel. 01-8387122.
Cunamh: 30 South Anne St. Dublin 2 Tel. 01-6779664.
R.G.A.S.: PLEASE NOTE, THE ROTUNDA GIRLS AID SOCIETY HAS NOW CLOSED DOWN, PLEASE CONTACT OUR HELPLINE AT 01-6790011 FOR FURTHER ADVICE.
P.A.C.T.: 15 Belgrave Rd. Rathmines, Dublin 6 Tel. 01-4975155.
St. Brigid's: 16 The Coombe, Dublin 8 Tel. 01-4542917.
St. Anne's, Cork: (This agency has now closed and all files and casework have transferred to the Southern Health Board).
Limerick Catholic: Unit 3, St. Camillus Hospital, Shelbourne Rd. Limerick Tel. 061-326677.
Challenge: Waterford Rd. Kilkenny. Tel. 056-21653.
St. Attracta's: St. Mary's Sligo. Tel. 071-43058.
St. Catherine's: Clarecare, Harmony Row, Ennis, Co. Clare Tel. 065-28178.
St. Kevin's: South Eastern Health Board, 32 the Mall, Waterford Tel. 051-78574.
Also has the records for St John's, Waterford and Challenge, Waterford.
St. Mary's: 20 Denny St. Tralee, Co. Kerry Tel. 066-22524.
CLANN: Merlin Park Hospital, Galway Tel. 091-751131 ext 311.
Also has the records for St Nicholas', Galway
St. Mura's: Pastoral Centre, Letterkenny, Co. Donegal Tel. 074-21653.
REMEMBER — DO NOT DEAL WITH AGENCIES OVER THE PHONE, EXCEPT TO ARRANGE APPOINTMENTS.
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